The Cartridge The 338 Terminator is a monster. I’m a bigger guy and my large head usually requires a scope mounted further forward and a longer length of pull. Cleckner: I’m heading to the range. I know I’m in the minority here — there’s nothing “wrong” with pistol grip chassis, I simply prefer standard-style rifle stocks. Gun Parts - Stocks, Barrels, Actions, etc. First Shots At the range, I set up the rifle and my chronograph and prepared to confirm the rifle’s zero at 100 yards. What are the pos and neg. That’s likely shooter error. When possible, I shoot rifles with my firing-side thumb on the same side as, and near, my trigger finger. This is less than ideal. Long-Range Killing Machine: The Defensive Edge 338 Terminator. This was unexpected. He runs both RocketFFL which helps people get an FFL and stay compliant and RocketCCW which gets people qualified for a CCW online. However, if your biggest risk of failure is missing the target, then you’re target shooting.
I noted ammunition headstamp, “338 Terminator,” and the rifle’s marking, “Defensive Edge LRKM” (which I later found stands for “Long Range Killing Machine”).
It also means there’s no way to feed it from a magazine. Cleckner: You expect me to put my cheek on top of the chamber while I torch-off a 300-grain bullet out of ammo hand-loaded by someone else in a wildcat cartridge that is pushing a modified 338 Lapua Magnum to the extreme? It has actually increased accuracy and has not affected barrel life in a negative way at all.
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So What’s the Verdict?
The.338 Edge was designed by Shawn Carlock during the interim period between Remington’s release of the.300 RUM and the expectation of a.338 RUM. I moved out to 600 yards and then quickly worked my way out to 1,000, where I placed three rounds in a 6-inch group on a steel gong. I’m not a fan of a pistol-grip chassis on bolt-action rifles.
Defensive Edge, the rifle’s manufacturer and designer, did include a kydex holder for two rounds forward of the ejection port so that a couple of spares were readily available. If you don’t hear from me in a few hours, you know what happened. I recall that I posted re 338LM vs. 338 Edge elsewhere.
The 338 Terminator handily outperforms both (on paper).
Great. Modifying your position between every shot, and then having to re-settle on the rifle and re-find the target, is what most instructors (me included) would strongly advise against. Harrison: (laughter with a British accent, of course). Then 300 Norma Mag came along and our military really started to like it because it outperforms the 338 Lapua Mag with less recoil. TEN: Publishing Media, LLC
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Disclosure: These links are affiliate links. A 40-fps decrease is almost a 4-foot difference at 2,000 yards — enough to miss a target completely.
This really is novel — it allows the bullet to be controlled and start spinning without the abrupt start normally incurred with a standard chamber. Caribou Media Group earns a commission from qualifying purchases. The Chamber Defensive Edge has a patented chamber design wherein they use a special throat to handle the power of these monster rounds without dangerous pressures. I hung up, loaded up the rifle and ammunition, and headed to the range.
That beautifully machined trigger bar is responsible for the LRKM’s very unbullpup-like trigger pull. I wasn’t a fan of the bullpup design.
I then opened the rifle case and found a bullpup single-shot bolt-action rifle with a very beefy 32-inch barrel in a pistol-grip chassis. Due to the linkage required for the bullpup design, the LRKM is a single-shot rifle. A new round must be manually loaded into the rifle before closing the bolt. The brass starts out as extremely high-quality 338 Lapua brass, and then it’s fire-formed by Defensive Edge to push the shoulders forward a bit for its “improved” design. Founded by Frank Galli in 2014, Sniper’s Hide has been offering informational videos, podcasts, and other support to it’s users in one location.
I've figgered out if I go 338LM, I'm just gonna buy a AR30. My worst at that distance was just over 1 MOA, and I attribute much of that to a poor fit for me and the rifle. And yes, this round is capable at 2,000 yards.
Second, I needed to change my position between each shot.
More on this later. I have done all of them, 338 lapua, lapua Improved, norma and the Edge.
It was, however, easier to hold off-hand than a similar-weighted rifle and it was very stable on a bag due to much of its weight being distributed toward the rear. The rifle shipped with two test targets showing 1/3 MOA groups, and while I shot multiple 1/2 MOA groups, I never quite got them as small as the test targets. And the cartridge, although very accurate with impressive ballistics, is too monomaniacal for the majority of applications. I opened the cardboard box and found two monstrous ammunition containers with 50 rounds each of what looked like 338 Lapua ammo on steroids — slightly larger case capacity with a long, 300-grain Berger bullet sticking out. As you may know, bullpup-style rifles are generally known for having poor triggers (the linkage required usually results in poor trigger feel, slop in the system, and higher pull-weights). In addition to being very awkward to grab the bolt so close to my body, once the bolt was about 1/3rd of the way back, it ran into my shoulder and stopped. The only thing to …
The Edge and the Improved 338 Lapua were the velocity leaders.
The ammunition was extremely consistent, and the rifle seemed to be very accurate, especially for that large of a round.
The brass is gorgeous and the extreme spread (ES) of the velocity was 6 fps for the first 10 rounds — impressive indeed. The LRKM rifle is extremely accurate but the bullpup design, although executed as well as it could be, is clumsy on a bolt-action rifle.
I needed to completely remove my shoulder from the rifle in order to operate it.
Above all, the rifle was dead nuts accurate.
This not only allows for easier manipulation of the safety, it also prevents over gripping or torquing the rifle, while placing my thumb near the bolt knob for fast reloads. The special chamber. That’s a heavy bullet, traveling very flat, and packing a wallop on the target. Thread starter lamiglas; Start date Jun 10, 2008; Help Support Long Range Hunting : Join the LRH Team or . The trigger was phenomenal!
As a note, the rifle is billed as a solution for long-range hunting. The ammunition loading was some of the best I’ve seen.
The reduced pressure prevents a cartridge from reaching the velocity it would normally, so this throat/chamber design is best suited for monsters like the 338 Terminator.
Probably be quickest just to give Shawn a call and ask directly though. This rifle and cartridge are built for one purpose: launching a monster projectile a long way from a static position. As an example, a loss of 10 fps for this round is almost a foot more drop at 2,000 yards.
It’s effectively a 338 Lapua Mag Improved +P. Firearms & Survivalists Lifestyle The 338 Lapua Mag has been king for a while in the big-boy long-range cartridges. OK, now I’m impressed.
The Defensive Edge 338 Terminator Ups the Ante for Big-Bore Ballistics.
I think I've heard that before as well. You must log in or register to reply here. Save my name & email in this browser for the next time I comment. Harrison: Well, you didn’t expect me to do it, did you? Knowing that I’d be tempted to flinch when shooting this rifle, I dry-fired a few times to get used to the trigger and confirm my position. Yep, that’s right — I couldn’t operate the bolt while staying in position on the rifle. I have ran a search and found a response indicating around 1200 rounds for barrel life for this cartridge. The rifle functioned well.
Sign Up today for our FREE Newsletter and get the latest articles and news delivered right to your inbox. Required fields are marked *. Your email address will not be published. This rifle and cartridge are surely novelties. I am a big believer in quickly running the bolt and getting the rifle back into the fight for a quick follow-up shot if needed.
Don’t get me wrong … the actual design of the LRKM was great for a bullpup rifle.
I just didn’t like bullpup bolt action rifles in general.
As mentioned before, the trigger was great. The Ultimate Firearms Destination for the Gun Lifestyle, © 2020 Recoil Magazine
The 11th round dropped to 3,045 fps, opening the ES up to 30 fps, but all but one other round out of 50 stayed within a 10 fps spread. This system is only useful if you have the money for it ($4 per piece of brass is pricey), you hand-load ammunition (and are willing and capable of making extremely accurate rounds), and mostly want to shoot one round at a time from one location (the weight, function, and recoil of this rifle don’t match with “on the move” shooting).
Before I even picked up the rifle, my phone was already in my hand, and I was waiting for our fearless editor to answer. I returned to the range for a second trip and experienced similar results — I was able to get ½ MOA groups out to 1,250 yards.
They’ve clearly figured out the bullpup linkage problem, and others should take note. The other long-range shooters at the range and I were pleasantly surprised with the rifle’s accuracy. If your biggest risk of failure is spooking an animal, then you’re hunting.
RECOILtv SHOT Show 2020: LaRue Tactical Siete, Forbes: Some more of the story on "gun approval". I had a wonderful time testing them and learning about them.
All likely outcomes will be interesting.
Both the cartridge and the rifle have some merits and impressive performance. You may not agree, but you don’t have to — as for me, I’ll extend the stalk and not the shot. Joined Mar 20, 2008 Messages 716.
However, for the vast majority of shooters looking for an extreme long range rifle and cartridge, I’d recommend something like a Barrett MRAD in 338 Lapua Mag or even the new 300 PRC. His newest project is focused on family and organizational safety at Mayday Safety. Instead of simply having an elongated throat and thereby having too much free-bore with a consequent adverse effect on accuracy (I’m looking at you, Weatherby), they have the rifling start at the throat, but they don’t have the bore down to its final diameter yet. My bias stems from operating the rifle and stability/height issues due to the stock being high enough to make room for the pistol grip. There’s a step wherein the bullet engages the rifling as it should, however, it isn’t under full pressure yet because it isn’t necked down to its final bore size until it can travel a bit.
A standard rifle stock allows me to run the bolt easier and faster. POD-150806, Home » Magazine » Issue 40 » Long-Range Killing Machine: The Defensive Edge 338 Terminator, This article originally appeared in RECOIL Issue 40. More on this after some ballistics of the round. Here’s my opinion on the matter — not that you asked. Harrison: I saw pictures.
That M700 bolt exiting the rear of the action means you have to take the rifle out of the shoulder each time you stuff in a reload. I inspected the brass and noted no pressure signs.
As a note, I offered to let them shoot the rifle, but they were happier watching me from a safe distance.
To clarify, I'm ONLY considering 338 Edge here, not 338 LM, for the reasons stated above.
I described this as a graduated throat (to the dismay of the designer). This is a problem with the LRKM.
Ryan Cleckner is a former special operations sniper and sniper instructor.
Get 5% off all Creedmoor brand ammo with code CREEDMOOR5. Harrison: Make sure someone else is taking the photos.
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